XL Trading Publish Personal Data on their website

1984ReturnsForReal · Oct 14, 2009

Abuse

XL breaks Data Protection Act

as well as:

etc
etc
etc
etc
etc

Does this mean we can now tell people who exactly is behind the illegal website?

Me thinks so...

"Just because we have are getting a lot of abuse from other forums and people
trying to invade the site.. the more people try and attack, the more we will
defend ourselves until it stops.

And we will also posts the details live here for all to see as a way of
warding off further attempts from idiots trying to ruin our site.

NOTE:
By attacking our site and trying to place false orders, we are legally
entitled to share your information with the net. You may contact us at
legal@xltrading.co.uk if you wish for your information to be removed but we
will however expect you to sign a legal declaration to say that you will
NOT abuse our site in future, neither on the net or on any of our network sites.

We will also post any emails we receive from any of the perpetrators and
their respective email addresses which we can use to have threads deleted
from online forums due to their abusive content.

Paul C. Dickie [pcd@bozzie.demon.co.uk]
I have been on-line since 1993 and it is more than a little conceited of
you to tell me about defamation. Have you ever heard of Dr Godfrey, the
chap who successfully sued Demon? He's one of my friends...

Demon (and most, if not all, other ISPs) differentiates between abuse
_on_ the 'net and abuse _of_ the 'net. Hence, I could call you pretty
much anything I pleased and Demon would not be bothered at all, as they
no longer operate their own Usenet servers. The news servers used by
some Demon customers are now based in America, where English law has
little or no effect. I do not even use those news servers, as I changed
to another Usenet server some time ago - and that server isn't in the
UK, either.

To issue a cancel request for any of my postings, you would have forge
that request in my name and that, sunshine, would be illegal.

As you did not comply with my previous demand that you cease and desist
from sending emails, I have forwarded your second email to your service
provider as I stated I would.

DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL.
I DO NOT WISH TO HEAR FROM YOU AGAIN.
< Paul >

Theodore Pike [theodorepike@gmail.com]
F*CK OFF

And here are the email addresses of some of the co-founders and also
thread antagonists on Google Groups as well - enjoy

nem342@talktalk.net
theodorepike@gmail.com
tomtomthepipersson@aol.com
usenet@etiqa.co.uk - this will probably bounce back

harperg@virgin.net - Gerald Harper we are guessing!
washim3@talktalk.net
nbkm57@hotmail.co.uk
onthetellyyousiilysod@talktalk.net
pcd@bozzie.demon.co.uk
wasntmewashim@talktalk.net
phil@stovell.nospam.org.uk
news@timjackson.plus.invalid - poss fake!
joy2theworld.5199910@legalbanter.co.uk
ddsrs.51a41cf@legalbanter.co.uk
1984returnsforreal.51a41cf@legalbanter.co.uk"

Walkable · Oct 14, 2009

WHOIS information is now showing. It is against Nominet's rules
for a trader to hide their registration details:-

Domain name:
xltrading.co.uk

Registrant:
XL Trading

Registrant type:
UK Individual

Registrant's address:
230 Elm Lane
Sheffield
South Yorkshire
S5 7TZ
United Kingdom

Registrar:
Webfusion Ltd t/a 123-Reg.co.uk [Tag = 123-REG]
URL: 123-reg | Domain names | Domain name registration

Relevant dates:
Registered on: 21-Sep-2007
Renewal date: 21-Sep-2011
Last updated: 14-Oct-2009

Registration status:
Registered until renewal date.

Name servers:
ns1.xltrading.co.uk 203.211.140.101
ns2.xltrading.co.uk 203.211.140.102

WHOIS lookup made at 17:11:29 14-Oct-2009

XLTrading · Oct 14, 2009

This breaks the data protection act does it

And you moan about this considering you quite delight in posting any details false or not on the net for all to see in any thread about us.

Might encourage you to stop eh!

EDIT:
And just for the people posting silly orders with us, we are tracking each and every IP that comes into contact with the site, proxied or not.

Joy2theworld · Oct 14, 2009

Feel free to report the pirate to Tax office, DHSS. I see they are recruiting more staff and looking of some where else to operate there illegal business, dare say they dont pay taxes and using our taxes to be on fiddle, its most probably a family Bristow and Timmy Mallet thing

Setting up a console repair business - Sheffield Forum

2/3 bedroom chav house wanted for pirates

2-3 Bed house wanted central Sheffield - Sheffield Forum

They may feel they are allowed to get away in order to prosecute you need hard evidence this takes weeks and months to acquire

They also have another user account at that forum

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/member.php?u=94678

Well if they are false is because you give the false details out in first place.

XLTrading said:
This breaks the data protection act does it
And you moan about this considering you quite delight in posting any details false or not on the net for all to see in any thread about us.

Might encourage you to stop eh!

EDIT:
And just for the people posting silly orders with us, we are tracking each and every IP that comes into contact with the site, proxied or not.

So what if you do keep IP address what good does that do proxy or not it will do you nothing zero, begger all because we are not breaking the law but you are!!!!!!

XLTrading · Oct 14, 2009

Joy2theworld said:
Feel free to report the pirate to Tax office, DHSS. I see they are recruiting more staff and looking of some where else to operate there illegal business, dare say they dont pay taxes and using our taxes to be on fiddle, its most probably a family Bristow and Timmy Mallet thing

Setting up a console repair business - Sheffield Forum

2/3 bedroom chav house wanted for pirates

2-3 Bed house wanted central Sheffield - Sheffield Forum

They may feel they are allowed to get away in order to prosecute you need hard evidence this takes weeks and months to acquire
They also have another user account at that forum

Sheffield Forum - View Profile: XLDS
Well if they are false is because you give the false details out in first place.

So what if you do keep IP address what good does that do proxy or not it will do you nothing zero, begger all because we are not breaking the law but you are!!!!!!

LOL!
This is the best post I have seen about us in a while..

You actually think people believe, that we have gone onto the 'Sheffield Forum' of all places and asked about a house for rent with space for two cars and pretend that is is... by copying the image from on here onto their site.

God bless you for that

Incidentally, if people do believe its us.
1. Check the post count
2. Check the date that the account was 'registered'

Coincidence hmmmmmmmmmmm

Come on lads... show us something a bit better than this.
We are wearing your emails and soon to be producing IP's on our site - going to have to do better than that.

All you have so far is some old details on a WhoIS - who are not related to anything XL

Going - to have - to come up - with something better lads!

ALSO:
You posted on the SF pretending to be us and STILL no one seems to think we need to post the DSR!
Bohahahahahaha!

Top fun tonight.. keep it up, you are keeping us entertained this week I tell's ya.

Walkable · Oct 15, 2009

XLTrading said:
This breaks the data protection act does it
And you moan about this considering you quite delight in posting any details false or not on the net for all to see in any thread about us.

Might encourage you to stop eh!

EDIT:
And just for the people posting silly orders with us, we are tracking each and every IP that comes into contact with the site, proxied or not.

No it does not breach the data protection act.

WHOIS information is supplied by Nominet who your domain name www.xltrading.co.uk is registered with. It is PUBLIC information when a website is used for trading from. Check Nominet's rules.

XLTrading · Oct 15, 2009

Walkable said:
No it does not breach the data protection act.

WHOIS information is supplied by Nominet who your domain name XL Trading is registered with. It is PUBLIC information when a website is used for trading from. Check Nominet's rules.

The WHOIs - fine...
The Adam/Di/Kirsty/Holly bit... ermmm... against data protection as they have nothing to do with XL at all.

No idea who these people are but if they are Tims 'family' I really do think you should all be a bit careful with that, because that could be classed as stalking.

1* Dragging posts and information off the net about them
2* Deliberately posting information about their home address if this is their address

Say for example, you did have a knock at the door from the police, what excuse could anyone give for having such information and publishing it on the net? Because I really do not believe there is none, especially for that kind of personal info.

Walkable · Oct 15, 2009

Well I assure you you have been reported to all of the relevant authorities, including H M Customs and Excise, so I suggest you all get good lawyers.

Paul_C_Dickie · Oct 15, 2009

Whilst I will not comment on whether or not the latest nonsense from XL Trading contravenes the Data Protection Act, it is certainly less than accurate if not downright disingenuous. I have never placed an order, false or otherwise, with that scoundrel and I never would.

As he/they have seen fit to publish my email to them, it seems fair that I should publish his/their email to me, to which my email was a reply; one may thus get a better idea of the person(s) behind XL Trading and the sort of threats they like to make. Incidentally, the thread that was apparently going to be deleted from Google groups is still there for anyone to see. Just do a Google search for "Apparently kosher sites" and you can see how effective the threats were.

All that they have succeeded in doing has been to irritate people. This may not have been entirely wise...

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Yes we will Paul.

Because you see, you and the other people that keep posting on these so
called 'fun threads' don't really see the bigger picture.
What starts out as fun on MSE is now leading people into all sorts of
trouble - none of which is coming to us.

That is the problem.
You do not see when to quit because you think you are doing nothing wrong
and keep going.

Problem is, the threads are being closed and deleted.. and Google have been
informed on which threads to delete from the system rendering the whole 'fun
threads' off the scope.

We can issue any request we like as long as it is legal - I would be
surprised to find out if Demon has your back on this for contributing to
such threads as well by the way.

Warmest regards to you and yours (see - nothing personal)
XL Trading

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul C. Dickie [mailto

cd@bozzie.demon.co.uk]
Sent: 07 October 2009 17:55
To: XL TRADING
Subject: Re: Apparently kosher sites? (Was: Re: Dodgy software sites)

In message
<e6d23653-842b-4a6c-a9a8-1141d6a5bfc1@j28g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>, XL
TRADING <xltradinguk@googlemail.com> writes
>We will now have this thread deleted as well today.
>XL

No, you will not.

Any attempt to issue a third-party cancel request of any of my postings
will be treated as abuse of the 'net and your ISP - whom I see to be the
Sheffield Broadband part of Telewest - will be informed accordingly.

Did you think that, by being "clever" and posting through Google, I'd
not be able to see which ISP you use?

Furthermore, you are henceforth forbidden to email any more of your
puerile nonsense or silly threats here; failure to comply with this
requirement will also result in complaints being made.

--
< Paul >

Walkable · Oct 15, 2009

XL Trading seems to be under the impression posts are removed
from forums because the moderator of such forums considers him
to be in the right.

This is clearly not the case, posts are removed because what starts
out as an informed warning to consumers about an illegal operation,
turns into something of a slanging match when XL replies to them with
threatening remarks.

In my opinion XL is now only trying to do one thing on the internet,
cover himself as best he can for when the authorities arrive at his door.

Changing his domain name's registered address isn't going to fool anyone.

All the information regarding known addresses is already known,
money transfers and bank accounts will always remain available to the tax
man, benefits agencies and any court orders- no matter what he does now.

hairy_g · Oct 15, 2009

XLTrading said:
Problem is, the threads are being closed and deleted.. and Google have been
informed on which threads to delete from the system rendering the whole 'fun
threads' off the scope.

Don't think so, the MSE one still comes up on google and has not been deleted.

Paul_C_Dickie · Oct 15, 2009

hairy_g said:
Don't think so, the MSE one still comes up on google and has not been deleted.

Gosh! Is it actually possible that Google is not afraid of what XL Trading might do?

hairy_g · Oct 15, 2009

Just to repeat what I posted on another forum:

From the "about xl " page:

XL Trading © is based in London, UK and started trading early in 2007.

Liar, you are based in Sheffield as we all know.

We focus mainly on media backup and import related items.

Translation: Illeagal copies and downloads from across the globe.

We pride ourselves on our world class customer service who deal with many queries and orders over the space
of a week and who we belive embody the spirit of the XL philosophy - 'the customer comes first at all times!'

Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't this the same philosophy as a prostitute?

We are now entering the end of the third full year of trading and have now improved our services threefold
adding new product ranges such as Nintendo DS software, Music CD's, and also XBOX 360 software which
is also increasing rapidly daily - also the DVD Movie count continues its upward rise daily (now clocked at over 4000+)

That's going to be one hell of a bonfire.

In short, we have the best service - the best products and the best prices
Why go anywhere else?

Because my stepson is one of many at University studying games programming, pirates like you could put software houses out of business, meaning he has no job to go to.

NOTE: All of our products are legal to purchase as long as you have the original version in your possession and that
the version you purchase from us will only be used in a spare backup capacity to keep the original from being damaged.

No, they are not.

By agreeing to use this site as a member, you agree to our legal disclaimer which can be found when placing an order with us.
You MUST check the tickbox to continue with an order with our store.

Means nothing, I only own 5 pc games but could order as many " backups " as I wanted, of any game or program just by ticking that box.

We are NOT legally responsible for any misuse of any of the items on this store nor do we support piracy in any way
shape or form.

If you are not legally responsible, you should be morally.
If you are obtaining your " backups " from anywhere other than the correct channels, then you are supporting piracy, anyone buying from you is also supporting piracy.

XL Trading

Hopefully that will soon be UNtrading.

Paul_C_Dickie · Oct 15, 2009

Can anyone recall how, on the MSE forum, XL Trading claimed that Tom-Tom and Sky had (allegedly) agreed that XL couldn't be touched or some such balderdash?

Isn't it odd, then, that since XL moved his/their site to Singapore, there has been no reference to Sky cards or Tom-Tom products?

Did they fall off in transit and is the code now at the bottom of the China Sea?

Paul_C_Dickie · Oct 15, 2009

hairy_g said:
Just to repeat what I posted on another forum:

From the "about xl " page:

We pride ourselves on our world class customer service who deal with many queries and orders over the space
of a week and who we belive embody the spirit of the XL philosophy - 'the customer comes first at all times!'

Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't this the same philosophy as a prostitute?

Please do not compare XL to prostitutes.

It's unfair to sex workers.

Walkable · Oct 15, 2009

Paul_C_Dickie said:
Can anyone recall how, on the MSE forum, XL Trading claimed that Tom-Tom and Sky had (allegedly) agreed that XL couldn't be touched or some such balderdash?

Isn't it odd, then, that since XL moved his/their site to Singapore, there has been no reference to Sky cards or Tom-Tom products?

Did they fall off in transit and is the code now at the bottom of the China Sea?

Add to that a few Adobe products. I suspect Sage will be next to disappear.

Website appears to be down today though. Major upgrade in progress no doubt

Oh, and as of this morning XL have "moved" to Harley Street, London:-

Registrant: XL Trading

Registrant type: UK Individual

Registrant's address:
29 Harley Street
London
London
W1G 9QR
United Kingdom

Joy2theworld · Oct 15, 2009

Oh I see the looser has tried in a vain attempt to post my email address on another forum

His vile attempts and vague threats do not stop me, far from it it makes me even more determined

He may think he isnt doing anything wrong but he is sadly deluded and rather moronic

Joy2theworld · Oct 15, 2009

Jobsite Agency Details - Marshall Court Recruitment Ltd is business that run from 29 Harley Street

He claims he aint breaking law how come he keeps changing address

http://whois.domaintools.com/xltrading.co.uk

Please report them to Disputes/Legal

Paul_C_Dickie · Oct 15, 2009

Joy2theworld said:
Marshall Court Recruitment Ltd is [the] business that [is] run from 29 Harley Street

He claims he aint breaking law how come he keeps changing address

After Nominet decided that he was trading, they published the address associated with xltrading.co.uk; Adam may have decided that, if anyone was to break down the front door of the "registered address", it should not be his (or his mummy's?) front door.

At least he didn't claim to be at 23 Leinster Gardens, Paddington, London W2, where he could be certain not to have any objections from the occupants. On the other hand, it would be rather perilous to smash down that front door and stampede inside.

Tony · Oct 15, 2009

Very clever Paul - Facade and dummy houses at 23-24 Leinster Gardens, Paddington, London W2 above the Metropolitan and District Line

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