URGENT- Howdens are trying to make us pay twice

Oly

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Hi. I know Howden's are trade suppliers and consumer law does not apply in the same way but I am hoping you can help.

We agreed on a design done in the warehouse back in November (thankfully we haven't paid a penny yet but it will go on our account). At the time we made it painfully clear that we did not want missing units and mistakes so what could we do to avoid this. They said order it early have it delivered early and check it so we can fix any problems before fitting. We did this and now we are missing the pull out wire component that goes inside our tower larder unit. In their defence nothing else appears to be wrong... However, when we approached the office they said that the wire unit was not in the original 'pick list' and it was our responsibility to check this. The unreasonable thing is that the catalogue they supply does not provide codes or prices for all the products (only some) so you are responsible but you are not given the information to base your checks on... Also the codes used when buying are different to those on the delivery note.

Now the designer and assistant manager have admitted to the mistake but are demanding almost £200 for the wire pull out and are arguing that 'it is your word against his' and 'we are being reasonable by offering a good discount'.

Obviously this was the mistake of the designer that forgot to add the pull out to the list and hence to the quote but we had agreed to pay the price on the premise that the unit included the pull-out. We haggled but could have pushed it further, we felt it was a fair price (they only applied 50-65% discount in all items and I know they regularly offer 85%). What they are asking us to pay raises the overall cost by 10%!!

Can they get away with refusing to supply the unit based in the fact that it was not on the pick list? Does this classify as 'not as described' within our statutory rights? Are they breaching the terms of our contract since the agreement was verbal and no paperwork was ever signed or approved by us?

We are happy with what we have and can't afford to reschedule the fitting (next week) so what will happen if I fit it? Do I have the legal obligation to still pay the balance despite receiving an incomplete order?

We are trying to arrange a meeting with the depot manager who has been described as 'not very lenient' by the asst. manager and being prepared would be useful. Your advice would be much appreciated. Thanks is advance.
 

Tony

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If you are buying as a business then you don't have any consumer rights, but if you are buying as a consumer you do.

Was it a quote or an estimate you were given? And was this for a complete kitchen or for a list of individual items.

Tony
 

Oly

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Thanks for your reply.

Well, we checked with consumer direct and they said in our case he 'thought' that the differences in our case are very few (i.e. between trade & public) but could not give us much useful info, just recommended to mention our statutory rights and send a letter to head office.

They call it an estimate but the sales man designed the kitchen and added the items to the list himself, at no point was it up to us to look at a comprehensive list of items and tell him what we wanted by calling out codes or similar. We did ask if everything was included (fixings, cornice, plinth, etc...) and he said not to worry cause he would make sure he added everything we needed. He did ask things like 'Do you want wood filler?' so little things like that were on the list as extras that needed to be paid for. That is the list that was ordered so I suppose it became a quote... we were never given anything to sign or check.

Since we asked for a pull out larder and the estimate read '300mm larder tower unit' we assumed that was the complete item because the other 2x 200mm pull out units we ordered also came on the estimate as one item only, not a unit and inside as separates. These have arrived with no problems.

I have the meeting with asst. manager (they have said there is no point in meeting with the manager as it will not change anything) on Tues and I am aiming to go Citizens Advice tomorrow. Anything you recommend me to ask?

Thanks.
 

Tony

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It is clear that the salesman has made a mistake. I think a reasonable person would expect them to spec a complete kitchen and provide a quote for a complete kitchen. It is unreasonable for you to check this as specialist knowledge is required.

However, it sounds like contracts have not been concluded so you can either walk away or negotiate a compromise that is reasonable for both parties.
 

JOHNOD

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I am surprised that Howden’s dealt with you as a retail customer , I deal with them a lot and don't generally have problems. We are a joinery firm and thus have a trade relationship with them and therefore we will purchase on behalf of our customer and if the customer has a dispute then it’s with us and not Howden’s, I would suggest that if you purchased direct from them you take it up with their head office, however if you purchased via a 3rd party i.e. someone in a similar position to ourselves then you take it up with them.
FYI
Howdens Head Office
Northampton
01604 764 815
 

P Gregory

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We had a disgraceful experience with Howdens Southampton. Firstly the designer measurements were wrong and when he arrived at our property to confirm details he tried blaming the builders stating they had put all sockets in wrong positions. The builders were first class from start to finish and went off the scale drawings from Howdens and put them all (exactly) where they were supposed to. After the builders had made the necessary adjustments to compensate for Howdens error they then preceded to send the Kitchen which only 1/3 of it was delivered on delivery day. When we called to say only a 1/3 of it had arrived we were told 'we would have to make do' and fit what we could until the rest was in stock. Two days later and kitchen fitters still waiting around we were told the rest was going to be delivered. Only to find on delivery they had sent all the wrong size units. Things didn't get better and we had to drive to Howdens and collect the correct remaining kitchen ourselves. When we did finally get all kitchen units and extras (1 week later) they said they could not trace our payment which was done via bank transfer. The payment was processed for the same amount to the penny and was in the name of Mrs R Gregory, Howdens coulndt find the payment as they were looking for a payment of the same amount but were looking for a Mr P Gregory, not hard to work out as the kitchen order was in the name of Mr&Mrs Gregory.