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Old 10th March 2009, 08:08 AM
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Twice already this year, Watchdog has exposed companies chasing people for debts they couldn't prove and wouldn't explain.*It seems we've only scratched the surface as hundreds more of you have told us about your terrible experiences with debt recovery agencies - and lots of them are hounding people for money that they might not even owe.

One of those people is Christopher Fitzpatrick, who's being pursued for £450 by a company called Advantis Credit.*The letters they've sent aren't very clear - in fact they don't even say who the original debt was with.*All they say is that the money is for gas at his old home.

Christopher, however, has definitely paid all his gas bills from that address and has even got a final bill to prove it. In fact, when he moved out, he didn't owe money - he was actually in credit.*

But even though Christopher wrote to Advantis, disputing the debt, they sent him another letter chasing the debt. This breaks Office of Fair Trading (OFT) guidelines that say when a debt's been reasonably disputed, companies shouldn't pursue it while it's being investigated.

We've checked with British Gas who has now been able to confirm that the debt relates to someone else. Chris is angry it was him who was pursued, saying: "I feel it's a scandal. I think we should shine the light on it and expose it to people."

The letters can cause panic attacks
What these companies don't seem to consider is that when letters like these are sent to the wrong people, they can be terrifying.*Sonja Munro is 76 and suffers from high blood pressure, so when another debt recovery company sent her a letter saying she owed £325 it only aggravated her condition. The letter upset her so much her blood pressure went sky high and she*ended up calling an ambulance whilst having a panic attack.
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It was left to her daughter Sue to prove that Sonja didn't owe the debt.*Sue wonders where it would have stopped if she hadn't done that: "When do the people start knocking on the door?*How far would it go if we don't try and stop this?*Who gets hurt?"

A good question. So why aren't debt recovery companies getting their facts straight before sending out*aggressive letters to*the wrong people?*Gareth Thomas is the Minister for*Consumer Affairs. He's said when companies behave like this it can amount to "psychological harassment". So will he rein them in?

When we met him, Gareth told us that he'd been concerned about the debt recovery*sector since the case of Beryl Baizer was brought to his attention. Beryl was a retired woman who eventually committed suicide as a result of the pressure she was under to pay a debt she was only, in a very small part, responsible for. *
Gareth said: "There's a responsibility on the debt collection agency to behave, to follow the law, to respect the code of practices that exist and to use reasonable standards of behaviour.*There's also a responsibility on the businesses that got the debts in the first place to hand over the right information."

The OFT can take action
The Government has recently given new powers to the OFT so that it can take action against these companies. Gareth informed us that the OFT has taken action against the debt collection agency, '1st Credit', who've been told that they've got to raise their standard of performance otherwise they face the threat of either a £50,000 fine or having their license to operate in the industry taken away. This is the 14th company the OFT have taken enforcement action against and there are a series of other investigations in the pipeline.

Gareth agreed that it was a clear warning sign to some of the companies to get their act together and said: "They need to raise their game, they need to raise standards across the industry otherwise further enforcement action can be taken."

Until then more people like Sonja will be sent bullying letters for debts they don't owe.*

Read our debt advice page and download our template letter if you're being asked for a debt you don't think you owe.

Watchdog contacted the companies involved in Christopher Fitzpatrick's case. Advantis told us: "We've reviewed our records on this matter and can confirm that we contacted Mr Fitzpatrick based on information on the electoral roll that suggested that he was present at the address when the debt was incurred. Having now received more information, all collection activity has ceased. We take any allegation of non-compliance to the OFT guidelines very seriously. Having reviewed this case we don't believe that we've breached OFT guidelines."

British Gas said: "We don't believe it's fair to the vast majority of customers who pay their bills to pass on the cost of those who don't. This is why we make every effort to establish who's responsible for unpaid bills. If we're unable to do so, we may pass unpaid debts to third party collection agencies. We'd like to apologise to Mr Fitzpatrick for any concern caused by the letters from Advantis Credit. Neither Advantis Credit nor British Gas will be contacting him again about the unpaid bill."

In response to the OFT action '1st Credit' told Watchdog: "We have an ongoing and positive dialogue with the OFT as we seek constantly to improve our business practices and ensure that the highest standards are met and exceeded. We have, since late 2008, made improvements in our training and processes in all of the areas highlighted, and suggested proposals in response to the OFT requirements which were accepted by them. We continue to seek to improve our processes and welcome the recognition by the OFT of the constructive approach that we've taken in response to the matters raised."



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Hi Tony,

A couple of years ago T-Mobile chased me for some phone charges which they never proved I owed them. This is despit the fact I got in touch with via telephone, email and even mail. After first speaking with me, they refused to return any of my calls or emails.

A few weeks later I received a letter from a debt collection agency asking for ovr £600. I was going to contest it but then thought I'd just pay it to get them off my back as I had just moved home and had enough other things to worry about.

Just today I've received another letter from T-Mobile and another debt collection agency asking for more money saying I cancelled my contract early, two years later. And they still haven't proven I owe the original amount.

Can I do something about that £600+ I've already paid them and demand proof from them? I still have the original letters and bills from T-Mobile and the debt collection agency.

Thanks.

P.S. I also have another question: Why are companies like T-Mobile allowed to just pass on debts to collection agencies without providing proof to the customer of the money they're supposed to owe? Surely this is not just the job of the collecting agency to prove, but also of the company passing on the debt.
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I have stumbled across this thread and I have to say first of all that I am from the evil world of debt recovery but think that I can offer some advice in this.
One thing I would say is that the debt recovery business is, in the main, improving its methods from within and the industry is starting to understand that ethical professional methods are actually more effective than some of the practises that are being talked about here.
My advice to any person that feels intimidated or unfairly treated by a collection agency should immediately inform them that you are going to report them to the Office of Fair Trading (OFT). I can tell you from persoanl experience that this works and once this threat gets back to Senior members of the company involved, you should see a change in attitude.
My 82 year old Mother was being harranged by an agency instructed by Barclays bank. The bank had sold her a loan, which was crazy in the first instance becasue she has no income other than state pension and unbeknown to me was struggling to pay it back. The first I heard was when I was their for Lunch and she took a call from a debt collection agency. The guy from the agency actually said to her that she risked ...commital. I could see my mother was stressed and took over the call. Within 2 minutes I had an apology from the boss of the firm.
Unfortunately, sometimes you are talking to a call centre person, who is having some sport and has no care about the possible implications of what they say.
I would ask for their consumer credit license number and tell them that unless they stop, you will report them to the OFT. I run a highly ethical agency which prides itself on offering a correct service and I have to say I would immediately deal with any situation where this was threatened....which it never has, or will be to us.
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Gregg and Tony,

To me it's not just about the agencies, although it has a lot to do with how they operate.

To me it's more about the fact that companies like T-Mobile can just pass on these so-called debts to these agencies without having to prove they are owed in the first instance.

Once the DCAs get the case, it's as if only they are responsible, when the fact is the original culprit is the one passing on that debt to the agency.

From what I understand, the government turns a blind eye to companies like T-Mobile as they pay licence fees to the government to the tune of billions every five years or so.

Is it any wonder they do whatever they want and get away with it?
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Over the last 12 months, I have been intermittantly pursued by various DCA's for a debt of approximatley £26, relating to an old T mobile contract, which I believe was settled & paid about 5 or 6 years ago.

The DCA's in question are Lowell Group, Red Debt Collections & Phillips. I have written to Red as they were threatening to send bailiffs to my home. I had previously contacted Lowell & advised that I was disputing the debt. Lowell had assured me they would hold any further action, which they clearly didn't as they had passed the debt to Red less than 14 days after my initial contact with them. I wrote to Red (sent recorded delivery) delivery to Red was confirmed and as I recieved no response from them, I took no further action. This all took place about 12 months ago, I have heared nothing further until today.

A voice text message has today been left on my parents landline (goodness knows how they got hold of that as I've not lived there for 10 years!) from Phillips DCA - again pursuing the £26 T mobile debt. I ring the number left on the message and speak to the operative. She confirms the amount owing. I state that this is in dispute, so she needs to hold further action to allow me time to contact T mobile & also go back through my records to obtain proof of payment. She advises that she cvant put the account on hold and that I need to pay it with her NOW or they will continue to pusue the debt. She states that if I can prove it was paid, then I can lodge a claim for reimbursement and they will decide to reimburse me ''if appropriate''!!!!!

I then point out that under the consumer credit act, they have to hold any action if a balance is in dispute, for the duration of time it takes for the dispute to be resolved. (I actually work within a credit control environment myself so am familiar with legislation and know that the law is, quite rightly, in favour of the debtor rather than the creditor) Still she refuses to put my account on hold & pushes again for payment. I then ask to speak to a supervisor, at which point she puts me on hold, then comes back & advises she will hold action for 14 days.

I cannot believe that DCA's are allowed to operate using such tactics. Surely it is unreasonable to ask a client to pay off a debt that is in dispute in order to stop further action being taken (in my case I was threatened with bailiffs) when legislation states that in the caase of a dispute action must be held. I feel this alone would be grounds for revoking the liscence of this particular company!!

Has anyone had any similar experiences with the DCA's mentioned above? I know it's only £26 but it's the principle - I am sure that this is how these people make money - by using bullying tactics in the hope that people will be too scared to question further. The operative I spoke to even admitted that ''breakdown of communication'' was quite common, in that the various DCA's sometimes failed to let the creditors know when a client had paid off a debt! If I pay the £26 to get them off my back, whats the betting that these unscrupulous companies will pull another imaginary debt out of this air & pursue me for that as well?!
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Over the last 12 months, I have been intermittantly pursued by various DCA's for a debt of approximatley £26, relating to an old T mobile contract, which I believe was settled & paid about 5 or 6 years ago.

The DCA's in question are Lowell Group, Red Debt Collections & Phillips.
Lowell and Red, I think, are the same ones chasing me.

However, even more to the point is the comment you've made here:

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£26, relating to an old T mobile contract, which I believe was settled & paid about 5 or 6 years ago.
The fact that T-Mobile continually abuse the system. They never seem to have to prove the money is owed and just pass on the debt to a DCA.

If firms had to prove why the money is owed, they wouldn't be able to pass the debt to a DCA in the first instance without doing so.
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I am being targeted by DCA'S their is no other word to some it up they have contacted me before and the matter had i thought been settled.

They are chasing me for a debt at an address i live at over three years ago which i do not even owe.

i work within the financial industry and i sent the following:

Dear Sirs

You recently sent me a letter asking me to contact you concerning a matter to do with the following address:

14 searle close
Chelmsford
Essex
CM2 9GB

I want to make the following abundently clear, i have not lived at the above address for over 3 years and suggest you have the wrong person.When i left the above property all bills were paid in full.

If further attempts are made to contact me concerning this matter i will contact the following agencies and report you for dubious practices.

FSA
office of fair trading
BBC watch dog
consumer credit agency

Please return this email with confirmation that no further contact will not be made.


Regards

Mr Benjamin Barber

Has anyone got any further advise?
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