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Originally Posted by Walkable  Point One - Hosting:
Your hosting was shut down after reports to the webhosts. This is a fact, witnessed by several of us after we reported your illegal activities.
It's only a matter of time before that happens again, regardless if you claim to be "hosting yourselves". Whoever is supplying the network connection is liable.
Point Two - Payment Processors:
It was easy to report you to Paypal, they imposed limits because you failed to verify your account after it had been suspended. They are also very good at looking for linked accounts.
I suspect Google Checkout is causing you problems too. Nobody cares about Maestro cards. Your bank accounts will probably be targetted next, there are strict anti money laundering laws in the UK now.
Point Three - People 'losing consoles' with XL
Your Facebook page had several posts about lost consoles, some you have now removed. However you appear to have left several about people not receiving orders for copied games they had ordered.
You are not a legitimate company and a simple google of XL Trading shows this. You not only are breaking copyright laws, you rip customers off, you refuse to publish a trading address and you are, basically a crook.
Point Four: They are back etc..
You were successful removed from the internet for several months, along with your sister site www.dchs5.info
It takes a while for these things to happen, last time you made yourself look really stupid, boasting how what you were doing wasn't illegal, and yet you were taken down. You will be taken down again.
I now consider it an insult to the hardworking software developers that you have chosen to return and steal from.
So I will be writing formal letters to all the major software companies you're ripping off. Along with trading standards and the tax office, particularly VAT as they have considerable powers to investigate your bank accounts going back years.
All of you are in considerable trouble.
Goodbye. |
Good Afternoon
Our reply to your post:
Point One: Hosting
If we were 'closed down' by our hosting as everyone seems to think.. who were we hosting with then? And then backup your claim that we were taken offline as we can prove otherwise if you would like
The problem with wild boasts on consumer action groups such as yourselves and CAG - if you have no reasonable proof to back up a wild theory, then you will ultimately look foolish when we reveal what we have to prove on the contrary.
You may have reported our 'illegal activities' - but where has it got you in the long and short of it? Precisely nowhere as we are still alive and STILL unprosecuted now nearly 4 years on... the same as other sites alive and well on the net.
You should know that any site that owns its own server and hosts itself will NEVER be taken offline unless the server itself is shut down ie: the Pirate Bay for example. It also provides us with an excellent platform for other projects online.
Point Two: Payment Processors
REALLY... is that what you think.
Our OLD PayPal account was attacked, agreed.. however - we had the limit removed and we can continue to use it, IF we wish... however, we choose not to accept PayPal as we have other means available to us which are more cost effective and protect both Buyer AND seller much better. GC is one for example.
A lot of people do have Maestro cards believe it or not within the UK - people under 16 for example who open basic bank accounts have them.
The bank accounts we use are NOT linked to XL in any way, shape or form - so knock yourselves out trying (also we have a strict security policy in place which prevents attack on the site)
Point Three: Losing consoles with XL
Just checked this on our Facebook and we see no posts of which relate to lost consoles?? There are some about game backups not arriving, which we have rectified - but nothing about console loss?
We also DO NOT remove any listings from our Facebook page which sounds very strange.
In relation to the 'copied games' comment - be very careful on that one ... we do not sell copied games at all here at XL .. we provide a valid legal service to backup something clients must already own. It's funny you mention 'copied games' because of all the sites doing the EXACT same thing as us with a legal disclaimer on them.. HOW many still exist can I ask?
Get back to us on that one please.
We are not a rightful legal ligitimate company ie: LTD Company - this is true, however, we do not have to go the LTD Company route if we so choose - there is nothing to say legally, we cannot run a service online where people pay for 'time' being spent working for a client.
Simple Google of XLTrading show's sites (loosely called 'sites' - ie: people hiding on newsgroups where they cannot be punished because they post libellous comments which NO self respecting site would carry for fear of legal action against them) and Google Groups... Hmmmm quality sites then.
Same as this one.. be very careful what your comments are regarding because CAG (who are BIGGER than you by the way!) have also backed down to the old XL regime asking them nicely to remove libellous comments and you will do the same if required by law.
Breaking copyright laws - again, you really need to look into the laws of providing a service in regards to someone already owning the original already - it's called a duplication service.. and is entirely legal ie: backing up a wedding DVD you have already paid for.
Rip Customers Off - Errmm no we dont! Any proof to backup that wild claim as well please? And we would like VALID links from a legitimate site and not some 'wild' Google Group/Newsgroup thanks.
Refuse to publish and address:
Basically, we do not have to - however, all of our clients have our legal address once they pay for the service.. which we are allowed to do as the DSR goes NOT govern service providers who get paid for their freetime being used. Prove that one then
Crooks - NOPE... if we were, we would be dead in the water right now.
As it stands nearly 4 years online - still no prosecution.
Either a) NOBODY is bothered and you are all wasting your time OR b) they are taking a really, REALLY long time to prosecute us, and knowing the legal system like we do, they really don't take this long to grab someone/move on a site if it is illegal.
Point Four:
WE closed the hosting on our accounts around the web, however DCHS5 is NOT our sister site, for this was one of our ex-workers sites providing a cheaper alternative in his free time for repairing and modding consoles.
The hosting for this was linked into our main account and when he left us after the takeover, we have removed the hosting for DCHS5 ourselves.
Again.. the conspiracy theories abound... but we are still online and have been - so what does that tell you
Please DO NOT insult our intelligence .. it takes LESS than four years to prosecute people accused of piracy - we are not pirates, nor will we ever be so, hence, the reason you can throw all the stones and accusations you will like, complain to whoever you wish, but the site will remain - and we will forever more be online to provide the world with the service we have offered for years.
The thing that really makes it a joke to read is that it's the same people who are throwing stuff into the wild and then when people start thinking for themselves and think 'hang on - they have been here for x amount of years.. and still they are doing it' and that's when you start losing credibility for your posts mate. And you will continue to lose it ever month and every year that ticks by where we remain active.
A few of us have worked in the software industry previously, which is why, we are quite insulted on the accusation that you would class us as pirates. Because the very definition of a pirate is something that XL strives to keep away from at all times. We do NOT sell software for a profit, neither do we provide 'copied games' to people who legally DON'T own the software.
Like we said above - there is no law against providing a service where clients pay for your time.
Please do write your letters and please send us a copy as well as we would very much like to post them on the site for all to see.. please also forward our email to the companies as well and we can speak to them directly.
Please also contact whoever you wish, and please tell them about other sites as well that do the same exact thing.. we are already laughing at you all from trying so hard to take us all down, it's really become quite a game between us all to see who gets the most posted about them online.
VAT indeed.. yes please do contact them - we would love to hear their response. You can contact us direct if you wish on this one as well.
They may be able to check 'our bank accounts' that is very true.. and they are quite welcome to check IF we are ever prosecuted which legally, is impossible given the current laws in the UK.. but as we say, it's nearly four years on so they need to get a rush on quickly.
And all of the sites, including ours, are literally shaking and quaking in our boots at the thought. But please, try your very best - because at the moment, you are all sinking into abstract failure.
Best wishes from us all.. we hope everyone is well, both yourself and your family.
Warmest Regards
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